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 Post subject: Re: Levisham 2018
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:42 pm 
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The incident, if indeed it ever happened (Both ourselves and the station staff are at a loss) is one complaint. There are far more complaints about Allied reenactors behaviour over the weekend and that's a fact :-)

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I don't doubt that for one minute ... seen some questionable things happen over the years to be honest !

Its not as though there arent other questionable things going on at these events though ... grown men dressed as school kids, cap short pants etc for one ... I mean ... W T F is going on there .. what on earth has that to do with re-enactment .. ??

As dedicated (genuine) re-enactors, I think we put up with a lot at these public events. On the one hand we have all the hard work, research etc to get things right, not to mention trying to honor those we represent from those times in our presentations and displays, then on the other you get the wally dress up brigade poncing and strutting around .. and who do the media and MOPS go for 90% of the time ... it could be soul destroying, but we are made of more than that I think, so we carry on regardless.

A word maybe to NYMR, and other organisers, enforce your own rules, take responsibility if you don't.

I think you will find out this October .... this is most definitely going to be your loss ... !!

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Neily Baby wrote:
Its always been a Home front event. Well, allied military only. The show organisers place Levisham at the disposal of Axis groups as a trial 12 years ago. It worked, so was permitted to continue there. But only there.


Thank you for the answer to my question.

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one would go to see axis uniforms at le visham instead looking at them from behind glass in a museum I was one who attended the very first year as a re enactor before it was taken over and improved to the standards it is now with no axis troops what's the point of going to the 1940's weekend anymore ?

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[quote="NOMAD" with no axis troops what's the point of going to the 1940's weekend anymore ?[/quote]

Doesn't that depend on the theme of the event/weekend, if it is advertised as a Home Front event then surely you wouldn't expect to see any .. and like it or not, as responsible re-enactors, don't we also have to honor the rules of the event organisers for the weekend .. ??

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" and like it or not, as responsible re-enactors, don't we also have to honor the rules of the event organisers for the weekend .. ??"
Couldnt Agee more. One should always honour the sport of the event. If not, then don't attend. Simple.

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Equalities legislation being cited as a reason for not having axis units, sounds highly dubious. If it was a legitimate fear, we would have heard of it before now. Putting up signs warning people who may find offence, is a reasonable adjustment to such fears. Unless an organisation is pushing this directly at reenactment, can't see what the problem is, 'fear of offence being caused' is totally ludicrous . If an organisation is using this line, to attack reenactment, then it needs to be rebutted, widely, because it won't stop there.

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Yes true correspondent / Neily baby, point taken I stand corrected

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You know looking at this from another perspective, it must have been hard for Neils group to have uniformed allied personnel walking around 'Le Visham', must have spoilt the effect for them a little.

I was told that you weren't allowed to carry weapons there, (as a Warco I'm not armed of course), which is understandable, but in not allowing German uniforms in Pickering, then perhaps there should have been a rule not allowing allied uniforms in Le Visham .. ??

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Would have been impossible. We were happy to have the quantity of public we did. A few Allied uniforms in among the throng were not a problem :-)

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I was just thinking we've come a long way on this forum.... from an alleged "anti axis bias" to all of the (well, the somewhat limited) users here being supportive of Neil and his "no Germans" woes...

Progress I think :)

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Hits like button :-)

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NYMR are in the process of receiving a £4.6 million Heritage Lottery Fund grant. So it looks highly likely that they've pulled the plug at Le Visham, either due to a perceived threat to the grant, or a direct warning. Daft, as had even a fraction of the money gone on improving Levisham events, would have reaped dividends. Still, when you consider someof the carbuncles which the lottery has funded. The concrete tit at Duxford, which is only fit for a V-2 themed expo. You know, the one designed by a tit, glass fronted, doesn't open, and you have to take the wings off planes, to get them in and out! (seriously)

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Yes, this has been discussed as a possible reason, but over the 12 years we've been there, they have applied for and been given grants.
Like I said before, no biggie. Its the railway and ultimately the publics loss.
I wish them every bit of luck in the future.

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Neily Baby wrote:
" and like it or not, as responsible re-enactors, don't we also have to honor the rules of the event organisers for the weekend .. ??"
Couldnt Agee more. One should always honour the sport of the event. If not, then don't attend. Simple.


I've just read this on The Ironbridge WW2 Weekend 26th & 27th May 2018 site:-

Axis re-enactors who wish to leave the arena and go e.g. into the town are requested to do so in civilian clothing.

What more can the organisers do?

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True, .. not a lot perhaps ... and the serious re-enactor will obey the rule, then again of course you do get the ego types among our ranks, and sad to say the wally wannabes who have nothing to do with re-enactment persay. They will be the ones who will ignore that rule, they will be the ones to spoil it all ... and unlike Pickering or ELR or numerous other events, with Ironbridge being a Heritage tourist place, what visitor there for the day will expect (or want) to see a German uniform when they are there for the place itself .. here more than anywhere else perhaps can I see the media having a real field day if someone is idiot enough, or allowed, to walk around the bridge/town area in axis uniform .. ??

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