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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 16:26 pm 
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Afternoon folks,

I'm after a list of everything a British infantryman would have been issued with upon leaving for Northern Europe, D-Day onward. Anything and everything the army has given him as standard issue (no specialist equipment that comes with a specific role, rank or branch) focusing on a conscripted soldier with no rank. Preferably a list based on original documentation.

I'm interested in finding out how the British dealt with toiletries in particular. Original documentation shows that the German soldier was asked to bring his own toiletries along to induction, such as a soap dish, toothbrush+paste, razor+blades and much more. If he didn't bring them, they were purchased from the army shop which stocked regular commercial products. The British on the other hand seem to have specific items made for the army, such as razors, shaving brushes, toothbrushes, soap dishes etc How and what was issued and on what basis?

Also if anyone can comment on pay too, how much, when and in what currency they were paid.

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Hi Nathan

You have chosen a very large topic! Hopefully this kit layout I did a few years ago will help show what a tuypical infantryman might have carried. There were personal variations and different loads depending on a man's role within a section and indeed which branch of service he was in, but this is pretty typical.
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Toileteries were issued during basic trainings, but were seen as 'necessaries' so it was up to the user to replace them as and when he used them up or lost them, ususally from the NAAFI who had WD marked stock or from private sellers who had civilian stock. There is no right and wrong answer for this one. This is the 1942 clothing regulations scale of issue, which as well as listing what a soldier was issued with indicates that troops are to maintain their supplies of necessaries form thier own pocket:
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 16:38 pm 
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I like the 6 brushes issued for different purposes plus the issue coombe which no one has ever been able to produce an example of.

I think I have all the brushes which with all these things were common about 20 years ago including the hair brushes.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 18:23 pm 
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Evening guys,

Thanks for the replies, much appreciated.

Can we divide the toiletries into two parts, consumable and not consumable? I read somewhere that there was an initial issue of consumables (Items such as razor blades, shaving soap, regular soap, toothpaste and foot powder?), if this is true I'd assume this was to tide them over in their first days/weeks until they had time and money to buy their own. However I'd rather work from some kind of documentation, such as official paperwork or veteran accounts.

Non consumable would be items such as the razor, mirror, comb and brushes which wouldn't need to be replaced regularly and maybe not at all depending on whether they were lost, broken or wore out over an extended period. I'm also wondering whether conscripts bought their own along too, were they told prior to arriving one way or the other? It may have been preferable to use your own razor of higher quality, for example. If this happened, was the army issue one retained and maintained for inspection while using your own for daily use?

In regards to pay, I've read that the conscripted private was paid two shilling per day which increased to three shilling per day after six months service. Plus an extra sixpence if he qualified for the proficiency bonus in what he did. Is this correct?

I'm also wondering about underwear, socks, gloves, scarves/balaclavas/(hats?) and jumpers. How many pairs of socks and underwear were issued typically per infantryman late war and of what type (long or short)? Were gloves, scarves/balaclavas(hats?) and jumpers standard issue and retained all year around? In regards to scarves/balaclavas(hats?) was it one or the other given they are similar things? With gloves, mittens with trigger finger or full five finger gloves?

Excuse the amount of questions, this is a relatively unexplored area for me.

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Nathan


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The questions in your first two paragraphs you have answered yourself. Small things like combs and razors could be private purchase in addition to those issued which you would need to retain for inspections. I have known of a few soldiers who purchased Rolls Razors as they did not require blades but required careful use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls_Razor

Don't know about pay but scales of issue of clothing are in the attachments above. Any issued kit was retained all year but round but carried in Company / Platoon transport when not required.


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Hello REME 245, the answers I gave myself are just speculation and conjecture. It would be nice to have some kind of documentation to back it up, whether that be in the form of an official document or in an interview with a veteran.

Does anyone know how the guys were paid overseas? The image below suggests they were paid in local currency. I'm wondering what the conversion was between the currencies if this was the case and how often it was handed out.


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What does it say in your pay book?

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Hi LeMaitre,

I've not studied any original pay books, do they detail type of currency? The currency above appears to be Dutch invasion money, printed in the USA for Allied troops.


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here is an answer for 1940 suggest search Hansard to see if there is anything later According to Hansard (27.2.1940) In an exchange between M.McGovern and Oliver Stanley Minister for War.
A private soldier in the British Army in 1940 received between 2 shillings and 6 shillings and threepence a day, depending on trade skills etc, so assume the new recruit was on 2 shillings scale.

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try here it has a little info on kit as well as pay http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lord ... ervice-pay

Not a straight answer here but you may be able to sort a rough answer from the lords statement http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 02_HOC_394

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Thanks dcdl12976, very helpful. I now have an idea of how much change I should be carrying. I also found information on the cost of living in 1941 which details how much various items cost at the time.


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have a look here for british military money it MAY be some help https://www.amazon.co.uk/Collectors-Bri ... B00KVJW5QM the last opicture shows a not issued in france

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Thank you Dave, I shall take a look. :)


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