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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:08 pm 
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Since when have air guns been "Firearms"? :?:

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Since when have air guns been "Firearms"? :?:


air rifles fired with air capsules etc i believes are now classed as a section 1 firearm

http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm

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BarnacleBill wrote:
Since when have air guns been "Firearms"? :?:


air rifles fired with air capsules etc i believes are now classed as a section 1 firearm

http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm


As rockhopper said over 12ft/lbs are section 1

Air guns with a pre-charged CO2 capsule are still not section 1. Some air guns are section 1 sure, agreed.

Besides, we are getting off this topic and into the 'VCR Bill, Firearms & Insurance Issues' section. What is the case in this topic is the report was sensationalising using evocative wording like "Firearms" and the fact the victims are tut-tuted at.

I've just checked the comments on the attached link and wow! The journalist and the paper is getting a whopping! Rightly so if I may say. Commentors seem far more agreived about tacky papperatzi. Cool, a boost for reason. 8)

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BarnacleBill wrote:
Since when have air guns been "Firearms"? :?:

All air guns are classified as firearms, albeit low powered ones which require different licencing.
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"nattyjack " you are talking rubbish seriously you are

airguns are NOT firearms here in England and you do not need a licence to own 1

or 2 or 3 or 5 or 20 or 50 if you so wish

Ireland maybe but not here

http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm
http://www.youngmans.com/acatalog/law.html
http://www.basc.org.uk/content/airriflepractice
http://www.airguns-online.co.uk/
http://www.airpistol.co.uk/airgun_law.htm
http://www.airsportdirect.com/acatalog/ ... wpage.html

before you start quoting "law" read for yourself

if your so against gun ownership why are you here ??????????

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Saying that an airgun is a firearm is not the same as saying an airgun is a section one weapon, nor does it mean he is against the ownership of such items. Grow up.

Indeed, he is correct, in many circumstances under the law an airgun is indeed counted as a firearm. In fact, quoting one of the links you supplied yourself:

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The law makes no distinction between air rifles and more powerful guns for which you need a licence – they are all classed as firearms.

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Saying that an airgun is a firearm is not the same as saying an airgun is a section one weapon, nor does it mean he is against the ownership of such items. Grow up.

Indeed, he is correct, in many circumstances under the law an airgun is indeed counted as a firearm. In fact, quoting one of the links you supplied yourself:

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The law makes no distinction between air rifles and more powerful guns for which you need a licence – they are all classed as firearms.


so your telling me when and if the scroat who nicked it is caught he will be charged with theft of a firearm and get punished accordingly !!

i think not

the police will only charge him with a "firearm " charge if he uses it to commit an offence ( i.e. he robs the corner shop with it )

and this has gone off track a bit
an air rifle is an air rifle no licence required

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an air rifle is an air rifle no licence required


Unless it's over the power limit (12 ft/lbs for air rifles and 6ft/lbs for air pistols.), when I license IS required.

Incidentally, you have failed to explain, if airguns aren't firearms, why several of the links you provided say exactly the opposite: that they are firearms. Did you fail to read them before quoting them?

Specifically

http://www.basc.org.uk/content/airriflepractice
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The law makes no distinction between air rifles and more powerful guns for which you need a licence – they are all classed as firearms.

http://www.airpistol.co.uk/airgun_law.htm
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Airguns in the UK are subject to the firearms acts



Of the others, none say that they aren't firearms, one doesn't work, and another merely concerns itself with what one must do the purchase an air rifle

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this conversation has gone way off topic and is now boring

an airgun is an air gun and does not need a licence

if it is over a certain power then yes it has to be registered on a firearms licence but thats not what started this topic in the first place

the definition of a firearm is

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and thats according to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm

so if you have a ploblem with that take it up with them


are you too blind to see whats happening here ?????

some t*** nicks an air rifle = big deal in the newspapers no i dont think so yawn yawn tiring

some t*** nicks a firearm ohhh wow front page news send out the flying squad major deal here
lets ban all firearms licence ownership because these murderous things are not being looked after securley
some young boy had a " firearm " in his wardrobe and used to " use it " in his " back garden "

bugger me lets give him 20 years for that

wow that definatly calls for a change in the law that does

if you threaten some one with an air rifle or air pistol or even a bb gun or an airsoft even a banana in a carrier bag then if that person believes that the gun is real the person committing the offence will be charged with it and the word firearm will be used in court

i am not disputing that

but calling all air weapons " firearms " i dont think so

the minute we all start doing that then whats next

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Ok, just to turn us back onto the beaten track before we forge off into the undergrowth of madness (wow go me! I've never written something like that before!)

This link shows you how some people are jumpy in Barton on Watsit or wherever. Don't get me wrong, i would be too, but the way it's written it makes me feel like the commenters jumping of the handle are reading the theft as a theft under the age of 25 so will automatically throw the book at us....

The media has a lot to answer for by criminalising under 25's... :evil:

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Sadbunny,

Here is a proper and correct definition of a firearm from a proper legal source and not an open, ammendable by anyone source like wikepedia.

Suffolk Constabulary website:

"What is a Firearm?
"Firearm", within the definition of the Firearms Acts, means a lethal barrelled weapon of any description, from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged. It includes any prohibited weapon, whether it is such a lethal weapon as aforesaid or not, and any component part of such a weapon, and any accessory to such weapon designed or adapted to diminish the noise or flash caused by the firing of the weapon.
Therefore the definition includes firearms such as rifles, as well as shotguns and air guns."

The Home Office defintion:

"The Firearms Acts define a “firearm” as a “lethal
barrelled weapon” capable of discharging any shot,
bullet or other missile. Particularly dangerous
types of firearms are prohibited and cannot be
held except with the authority of the Secretary of
State. All other “firearms”, apart from some lowpowered
air guns, must be held on a certificate
issued by the local police. Low-powered air guns,
that is air rifles discharging pellets with a muzzle
energy below 12 foot pounds and air pistols
discharging pellets with a muzzle energy below 6
foot pounds, deactivated firearms, antiques and
imitations are not subject to licensing and are
dealt with in Part 2."

So you see the definiton you have chosen to use is incorrect and air weapons are firearms in the eyes of the law. However, you were right when you stated that air pistols of 6 foot pound or less and air rifles of 12 foot pounds or less do not require a certificate.

You might be advised to check your facts properly before attacking other posters on here.

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Thank you for your support,
I have to know the firearm laws as am a senior lecturer in forensic science , I also worked for the met police and forensic science service for 16 years. Firearms laws in this country are both complex and draconian and each police force seems to interpret them differently
I appreciate the comments about the media hype , if you remember just before the vcr bill we had numerous accounts of shootings appearing all over the media, currently with the suggested ammendments for bladed weapons it is knife crimes that are being hyped.
It will soon be air rifles, they have started to tighten the law regarding sale and distribution already.

As to wikipedia, as stated it is an open source that anyone can upload information to. In many cases it is factually wrong. Students are discouraged from referencing it for exactly this reason, although it is fun to catch them out !

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